David Diamond – An Update on Demonization and Deception in Research on Saturated Fat…

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  1. C Dix

    Love this guy. Smart, and funny. Reminds me of Norm McDonald with his dry, sarcastic humor. Thanks for some enlightening info. The (true) numbers don't lie.

  2. D Master

    why are people so narrow minded to think you can only have margarine or butter on your bread. what's wrong with putting extra virgin olive oil on your bread.

  3. Fiat Bug

    I see some amazing parallels here with another great (if not greater) scientific deception of our time….." Now repeat after me …. I believe in the theory of anthropogenic climate change".

  4. Ben Nguyen

    This comment is in regards to David Diamond's appearance on the STEM-Talk podcast (episode 41)…

    Former guest, Peter Attia was on the Jocko podcast, and mentions (2h10m18s mark) how nutrition is like a pseudo-science where people tend to be dogmatic in their views… I think David Diamond might have some of this as well.

    Cholesterol Guru, Chris Masterjohn, often talks about how part of the problem is that when LDL is in the blood for too long, the antioxidant protection surrounding it begins to break down causing oxidation of the underlying PUFA. This oxidation of the cholesterol causes it to bind in places where it shouldn't be and triggers a further inflammatory response.

  5. Yhonatan Shemesh

    It is an interesting lecture in so far as it shows that cholesterol is not the whole story to heart disease (rather convincingly). It's also troubling how scientists with an agenda can bend their results to go their way.

    But he makes a bunch of leaps regarding other questions which I cannot be satisfied with.

    1. Assuming cholesterol is not responsible for heart disease, that still does not vindicate saturated fat, which may operate through many other pathways. No word on that.
    2. The underlying message seems to be that food sources of saturated fat are healthy – that does not follow from the presentation at all.
    3. Blood clotting factors are involved in heart disease – what causes their increase?
    4. No details on what the 'high carb diet' he was referring to includes. Composition matters. You will find virtually nobody that would argue that a refined carbohydrate diet is healthful.

    That being said – keep it coming. These kinds of talk are constructive additions to the nutrition debate. I would like to see some plant-based advocates protecting their case as well (as far as I can tell, there were none who gave talks or were hosted on podcasts)

  6. Anuojat

    Just one note. It wasnt really the industry that made this into a problem, the government meddled with peoples diet for political purposes and that attracted sugar companies to lobby not the other way around. Other than that splendit talk.

  7. 1charlastar

    MIT Senior Research Scientist Dr. Stephanie Seneff talks about cholesterol and how SULFUR and SUNSHINE prevent cholesterol from building up in the arteries. She, too, concurs that we NEED CHLOESTEROL and lots of it. She has many talks on cholesterol, but this short one explains WHY and HOW sulfur prevents cholesterol 'problems'. Abnormal clotting in the blood can be addressed with nattokinaise, an enzyme derived from the Japanese food natto which reduces platelet clumping in the blood. I've actually talked with people who have had clots safely dissolved using higher doses of this nattokinaise enzyme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dgZ5fE5-nI

  8. Elle -mental

    Americans are told not to eat fat but they do eat fat in the form of fast food and processed food and that is why they are fat. How much fat is in a Big Mac, with French fries or a Double Cheeseburger? I am sure low income people are fatter than anyone in America because all that is available for them to eat is fat laden fast food. Just because people are told what to do and what to eat does not mean that they do it.

  9. TeriMac

    Is that why FDA and big pharma are shooting up animals with various hormones/drugs, so meat-eaters are affected and becoming DIS-eased by eating chemically altered meats?

  10. The ex Vegetarian Blogger

    One of the mechanisms that causes atherosclerosis is haemodynamic stress on the arteries (veins don't get atherosclerosis). Basically the high pressure of the blood puts a mechanical strain on the arteries and if the arteries are not supple enough they can crack, and then the cholesterol rushes in to 'spackle' the crack. Guess what leads to stiff arteries?

    Hyperinsulinemia. Basically being insulin resistant and eating a high GI high carb diet causes atherosclerosis. Calcification makes the arteries stiffer and more prone to damage under pressure.

  11. bigmac

    I'm a big believer in low carbs. I practice this belief and severely restrict my sugar intake. My weight has dropped and so has my blood pressure.

  12. Mike Kovach

    I feel Dr. Diamond displays his personal bias right at the beginning of his lecture when he says he'd rather die of disease while enjoying life eating delicious meat, bacon etc than live an unhappy life eating yucky terrible tasting plant based foods. For a supposed unbiased scientist to start his lecture displaying a strong and unfounded personal bias about his subject leaves me with great doubt about the validity of his views. I feel he also used a bit of sleight of hand on several occasions. It seems to me that he eats and was helped by an almost zero carb ketogenic diet but doesn't really give that detail too much in his lecture. To me he made it seem as though there is no worry about just eating a lot of saturated animal fat in your diet without severely restricting all carbohydrate intake (ie forcing your body into ketosis). The standard American already eats a diet loaded with saturated animal fats and cholesterol, while experiencing very high levels of preventable disease. This is very different from a very restrictive ketogenic diet where almost no carbs are allowed. I feel that by failing to emphasize the specifics of his particular diet regimen that allows him to consume large amounts of saturated fats and not experience health problems, he leaves the audience with the wrong impression. He also doesn't give specifics of other diets he tried that failed for him. Did he just avoid animal foods but eat processed refined carbohydrate foods? Did he eat mostly whole fruits and vegetables? We don't know. The speaker also disparaged the work of Dr. Ornish claiming that his studies modified many lifestyle variables at the same time, then claimed all of the health benefits were due to the dietary changes they made. That is not what I found when I read many of the study results by Dr. Ornish and his coauthors. The studies I read quantified the improvements found with each lifestyle intervention separately. I did read a few studies by Ornish that looked at the combined effect of lifestyle and diet, but they seemed to conclude to me that results were attributed to diet AND lifestyle together. That's just what I read. I also felt this lecturer spent an excessive amount of time disparaging medical institutions and talking too long about the difference between absolute and relative risk reduction. From my understanding, the disease process that leads to a heart attack is very long term (ie 20 to 30 years) and cumulative, thus an absolute risk reduction of 1% in the first year of a study on statins could be significant as that reduction would continue to compound over a long period of time to be a more significant in 10 to 20 years. I don't understand why the speaker didn't mention this. Finally, I do agree that we deal with the effects of financial and personal bias at times in medical studies and recommendations made by medical institutes, but in my opinion the speaker himself displayed his own personal bias that meat is wonderful and delicious and he stated clearly at the beginning of his talk that he felt life on a plant based diet simply wasn't worth living. I just have a very hard time believing that our entire medical establishment is so crooked and/or ignorant that they recommend harmful things to the public based totally on one study done a long time ago that was clearly flawed and performed by someone who wasn't even from the medical field. I personally know many fine physicians, and just find it hard to believe that such a large area of medicine would be based on such overtly flawed studies. In this follow up lecture I was hoping Dr. Diamond would cover some new material, but to me it seemed he covered mostly what he covered in the original lecture. This left me uninspired and wanting more information on this subject, not just the authors views on the state of our medical institutions. Please return and do a more detailed lecture as this speaker does have some very interesting topics to share. I do appreciate Dr. Diamond's unique and thought provoking ideas, as dissent is the foundation of good science. He clearly is willing to dig into data to fact check our current beliefs which is a wonderful thing.

  13. Aldoogie

    This video goes in tandem with https://thebigfatsurprise.com by Nina Teicholz. This is clearly the most important piece of information everyone should be aware of. Corporations are setup to win at all costs without emotion. The only thing we can do, is to properly inform ourselves and understand that their interested don't often aline with ours. Eat a diet based on plenty of leafy green fibrous vegetables, minimize sugar in all forms, and increase your healthy fat intake – combination of saturated and mono-saturated fats (if you're vegan/vegetarian, then use coconut oil and avocados) and stay away from polyunsaturated fats. That's what I've gathered.

  14. BTM37

    His conclusion that clotting factors are what cause CVD leads to the question: do hemophiliacs get CVD? Yep. https://hemaware.org/life/heart-health-and-hemophilia

  15. Tamar Koopman

    “Well-established benefits of diets high in saturated fat and cholesterol”?

    Some of the world’s top nutrition scientists and experts came together at the Oldways Finding Common Ground conference in Boston recently. The lineup of twenty experts comprised the best of the best, including researchers, scientists, and doctors from Stanford, Harvard, and Cornell Universities. The co-chairs were Dr. Walter Willett of the Harvard School of Public Health and Dr. David Katz, founding director of the Yale Prevention Research Center. Despite widely divergent philosophies ranging from Paleo to vegan to Mediterranean, this array of luminaries reached a consensus on some basic points of healthy eating.

    It turns out there is a lot of agreement between the world’s top nutrition experts [1] even though they come from very different philosophies and methodologies. Co-chair Dr. Willett stated:

    “The foods that define a healthy diet include abundant fruits, vegetables, nuts, whole grains, legumes and minimal amounts of refined starch, sugar and red meat, especially keeping processed red meat intake low. When you put it all together, that’s a lot of common ground.”

    So the world’s leading authorities on health and nutrition agree on some basic aspects of health eating and recommend diets rich in foods which are naturally low in and devoid of saturated fats and cholesterol, respectively. Yet you hold the position that diets high in these nutrients have well-established benefits. Interesting.

    [1] https://oldwayspt.org/programs/oldways-common-ground/oldways-common-ground-consensus

  16. Dave Oatway

    Great presentation using proper interpretation of statistics! It is the same as doubling one's chance of winning the lottery – by buy two tickets! Still not very likely! Thanks for the work on analyzing the data.

  17. Agni Bonendasari

    excellent presentation, smart way to wake up the medical world about dangers of big pharma shaping the medical decisions. But sadly, big pharma still controls the medical system.

  18. Tom Groom

    Thanks for the good presentation. I just don't know who to believe anymore… I'm a med student and we have textbooks and all of our professors of cardiology telling us that cholesterol (or actually LDL-c) causes coronary artery disease (CAD) and that statins are a MUST (because even though they have side effects, they decrease mortality). On the other hand, you have everyone who has ever been on statins or who has ever read a strongly worded Facebook article about statins saying that they are the devil and that doctors just want to make money from the pharmaceutical companies. This is different to the ignorance spread about vaccines, however, because all good doctors will agree that vaccines are good, but now there are lots of doctors swearing on their lives that the American Heart Association is wrong and lying to the public about cholesterol and statins and that makes it difficult to decide who is right. Well I honestly just want to learn what will be best for my patients one day and it would be awfully nice if there could be some objective medical consensus as to what prevents CAD and myocardial infarcts. Thanks

  19. Fred Warren

    There was a study on donating blood reducing the risk of heart attacks by 75%. Pub Med Id: 9737556 Title: Donation of blood is associated with reduced risk of myocardial infarction. The Kuopio Ischaemic Heart Disease Risk Factor Study..

    Which I found out about in this video here on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_4kt-pC7b4

  20. The New Neandertalien in English

    Health, Dumb celebrity doctors: A 1966 study:"no evidence that familial
    hypercholesterolimea shortens the life of affected individuals". Now,
    check the dangerous idiot, a "celebrity MD" Peter Attia, who prescribes
    statins to his dumb clients.
    https://twitter.com/NNeandertalienE/status/1014536888588341248

  21. Mike Carus

    This continual war between high carb/low carb camps must be wonderful to those who want to divert attention from the real issues. Haven't we learned from history that we are always manipulated into choosing one of two camps and don't they fully support both sides of a phoney debate. You can watch presentations from both sides and be convinced because neither side wants to address their own shortcomings. Yet when you look at some of the consistencies between both sides, you start to understand where our energy needs to be focused, and that is the unnatural chemical, biological and genetic interference in all food production as well as the corruption that leads to profit from suffering and death. And they are still getting away with it all whilst we argue low or high carbs/fat.

  22. hanrolav H

    Yes, the problems is with the bread. For 20 years, I threw away the egg yolks, took margarine instead of butter, avoided fatty cuts of meat, etc. I also took statins for 10 years. Sugar and carbohydrate is what causes inflammation in the endothelium of the arteries. Cholesterol is there just to repair the damage.
    Ancel Keys and the drug companies have blood on their hands.

  23. Bpjames

    Shouldn't the list of clotting factors mentioned here include HsCRP, homocysteine and Lipoprotein(a)? The high sensitivity C reactive protein is a marker for systemic inflammation, homocysteine is related (maybe not causative though?) to coagulation and a high level of Lipoprotein (little a) is associated with a higher risk of clotting. I understand that much of this can be reduced with simple supplements like Niacin (B3) and other B vitamins in addition to stress reduction, exercise and proper diet. It should be a crime that people are led to believe that these chemical medications will save them from a crappy lifestyle!

  24. Anders Rapp

    Fantasti talk but I personally dislike how he quickly brushes on that "maybe some scientists are getting paid to say what they they do" and then he just drops it without any real example. Even though the scientific field is very vulnerable because of it's heavy dependence on huge resources to do research I think that type of comment spreads a skepticism towards science that is detrimental and damaging to the field and that contributes to a type of anti-intellectual movement that's going around in which I don't want any part. That type of generalised remark about some scientist somewhere who's maybe taking money may very well include the speaker himself….

  25. Foo Ling

    Maybe, just maybe you could use the same disconnect with Vegetarians and meat eaters with smokers. Maybe smoking just seems bad because most smokers have a shitty diet, don exercise… Do you thjink that your prejudice against smokers is blinding you to the inconsistency of your argument?

  26. Tyrander165

    I have to disagree with the criticism of statistics here. If 400 people die of CHD on placebo and 300 die of CHD on the drug, the drug reduces CHD death by 25%. It does not matter what the non death numbers are. He is arguing that the drug effect doesn't matter because so few people die of CHD. That is like saying that millions of people drive every day without accident so people should not worry about wearing seat belts.

  27. Roger R Rabbitt

    I took high dose stains for over 15 years after a bout with angina and 3 stents. Now I can hardly walk without extreme debilitating pain in my muscles and joints. They said it was my spine and operated twice. I kept getting worse with the doctors ignoring my cry for help. Now they say it is osteoarthritis. Finally I refused to take anymore statins (recently prescribed Crestor by my cardiologist). The doctors refuse to provide adequate pain meds even though it is their fault I am suffering because they are afraid of the DEA. Nobody should take statins. By the way, the statins did not prevent me from having two more stents then a bypass.

  28. clarence spencer

    Then, how can we the people trust any medical "studies" and follow them??? It seems it hits the fan every 30 years or so, that all the "studies" were nonsense!!! Even medical doctors follow these "studies" and prescribe this or that medicine, as is the US Dept of Agriculture and its CHANGING food pyramid!!! Is there any truth out there? Can the public trust anyone of them?? Geeeez

  29. Steve T

    Great presentation. I taught high school chemistry and physics, and a healthy amount of math included in my classes. I ALWAYS emphasized students look at the Y-scale when representing and /or analyzing data. One of my "wisdom sayings" in my room was: "It's easy to lie with math, but it's easier without it".

  30. Ryan Gajsek

    I used to be vegan and most recently vegetarian. Your comparison of fat in the blood plasma after eating a high fat meal and high carb meal was an eye opener because it was the high fat meal blood plasma that was presented in many videos by the WFPB diet gurus as the one that had the fat in the blood. I have mostly gotten rid of my books and unsubscribed from these Facebook Guru charlatans. I spent a lot of money on their books and cd's while I was doing it. Now I feel I was ripped off.

  31. Maynard Wellman

    I'm very confused. Vitamin K2 is in Natto and supports clean arteries. But, when you buy Natto supplements they have the vitamin K removed because it states it assists in clotting. Clotting is what we are trying to steer away (why we buy Natto) from unless we are bleeding. So, we want non-sticky blood as the doctor says…..but, we also want K2 (mk-4, mk-7). What part am I not understanding?

  32. Occams Razor

    If Cleveland Clinic gave the correct advice to eliminate heart disease, then they would go out of business. Furthermore Dr Steven Nissen chairman of cardiovascular medicine at the Cleveland Clinic was the managing director of 3 statin studies and is Big Pharma's favorite boy. He has received more Honoraria (euphemism for $$$$$$$$ ) than any doctor out there.

  33. The Fruit Addict Ⓥ

    There are 2 concerns: the person and the planet. Low carb is best for the person, high-plants is by far better for the planet. I can't understand why these speakers can't acknowledge that we need to take up the plant-based low-carb diet. Yes, I understand he enjoys the taste of animal products, but you get the same benefits eating low-carb, plant-based, without the pollution of the environment from raising livestock.

  34. David Coomber

    We live in a age where truth is optional, law, politics, industry, pharmaceuticals, religion, banking the MSM of course medicine all have one thing in common the profit bottom line. How they reach the profit is meaningless as long as the profit margin is healthy and growing and this will continue until we make white collar crime accountable and the fines and sentencing matches those ugly profits.

  35. Clinco Brown

    This fellow still needs another follow up to his video's until he fully realizes that lightly processed whole wheat, pasta, grains, and potatoes are not the enemy, it is what humans are meant to eat and be digested as the body should and store them as it should, peoples consumption of processed sugar has amplified throughout the years and that is what needs to be cut out. (especially corn fructose). Fats and animal proteins what he speaks about is actually good for you and he is correct but again he does not mention the toxins that go into the meats, dairy ex; fats, fish with Mercury. Strictly going back to nature what was provided to us as animals feeding in there natural environment is generally healthy. I would love to see this fellow on a face to face debate with one of many plant based nutritionist – right now he would lose hands down. This time I gave him a thumbs down as I thought it was going to be an update from his previous admitting he was wrong, but he did not. I'm afraid at his rate still – he will not make it long enough for a follow up for a variety of eating habits he still requires himself to do because he has more research to do before he should speak openly like he is doing.

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